40 min

What Should an Agency Owner Delegate First? Karl Sakas on Stepping Back, Selling and Getting Paid What Your Agency Is Worth

Agency owners should delegate in a set order, says Karl Sakas: specialist work first, then delivery leadership, then account leadership, and only then decide whether to keep doing strategy. Karl advises agency owners who want to sell, step back or shift their role, and in this episode he walks Macgill Davis through how he helps them get there. He covers the questions he asks before touching any process, his "firefighter to fire marshal" model for an owner's role, how acquirers actually value agencies, and the margin benchmarks he uses to spot a business leaking money.

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Guest

Karl Sakas

Karl Sakas

Founder, Sakas & Company

Karl Sakas runs Sakas & Company, an advisory firm for agency owners who want to sell, step back or shift their role in the business. Before advising, he worked inside an agency as director of client services and then director of operations, and later helped that agency's owner sell the business. He's based in North Carolina and says he has worked with hundreds of agencies across 36 countries. He also publishes hundreds of articles on agency management.

Key Takeaways

  • 1.Start with the owner's values, goals and resources, not the org chart.
  • 2.Move from firefighter to fire chief to fire marshal as the owner's role changes.
  • 3.Delegate specialist work first, then delivery leadership, then account leadership; only then decide whether to keep doing strategy.
  • 4.AI adds output and review work, so owners should delegate, not abdicate.
  • 5.Acquirers buy on numbers, niche or special capabilities; financial buyers pay a multiple of EBITDA.
  • 6.Aim for healthy ranges: 50–60% of agency gross income on labor and 20–30% retained as net profit.

Full Transcript

0:18
Karl Sakas

I run Sakas & Company, an advisory firm for ambitious agencies with ambitious goals. Typically I'm working with agency owners who want to smoothly sell, step back, or shift their role in the agency.

1:14
Karl Sakas

The discovery process starts by understanding each client's values, goals and resources. For some clients, they know they want an exit, so we narrow in on what their ideal exit is.

14:22
Karl Sakas

Ideally you move from firefighter, the one putting out the fires, to fire chief. You're still there directing the team, but you're usually not the one running into the burning house.

16:34
Karl Sakas

The third role is the fire marshal. The fire marshal's job is to prevent future fires: thinking about where resources need to go months and years in advance to prevent problems and create new opportunities.

21:37
Karl Sakas

That's my recommended order. Delegate the specialist work first, then delivery leader, then account leader. At that point, decide: do you want to keep doing strategy or not?

24:26
Karl Sakas

If you can suddenly get a whole deliverable in a matter of minutes, is it any good? Humans in the loop still have to confirm.

26:28
Karl Sakas

Even if you delegate most of it, you need to delegate, not abdicate.

37:27
Karl Sakas

An acquirer is going to adjust for an owner salary below market and deduct the difference from your profit margin. So pay yourself a market-rate salary.

43:42
Karl Sakas

Where to lay the asphalt depends on your values, goals and resources. There's no one-size-fits-all playbook.

Frequently Asked Questions

Specialist work comes first, according to Karl Sakas: design, development, writing or running campaigns, handed to the team or to freelancers. Next comes delivery leadership, then account leadership. Only after those three does the owner decide whether to keep doing strategy.

It's Karl's way of describing how an agency owner's role should change. A firefighter puts out fires personally. A fire chief directs the team and watches resources. A fire marshal works months or years ahead to prevent fires and create new opportunities.

Financial buyers pay a multiple of EBITDA, from around 2–2.5x at the low end to 8x or more at the high end. Others buy for industry specialization or a special capability such as a team or technology.

Karl's rule of thumb is to retain 20–30% of agency gross income as net profit, with 50–60% going to labor and the rest to overhead. Pay the owner a market-rate salary so low compensation does not inflate the apparent margin.

Five to seven is often a sweet spot, Karl says, though it varies by owner and agency. Ten is too many. Even owners who delegate almost everything still manage the person who manages everyone else.

Yes. Clients expect more for the same budget, which makes hourly billing harder to defend. Karl recommends deliverable-based pricing for projects or retainers while still tracking time to see whether a fixed price is profitable.